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possible bug: same Artemis project file, different results on 2 PCs
by Jeremy Thorbahn 10 Oct '12

10 Oct '12

Hi Bruce, I was putting together another post for the list (which is currently awaiting moderation since apparently my attached project files were too large) when I encountered some strange behaviour in Artemis. I tried opening my project file on my second PC to check that it would open fine for other members of the list. But by simply opening the project and clicking Fit, I was getting different results for my guess parameters on the two PCs. Both PCs are Windows 7 and updated to Demeter 0.9.13. Here is a link to the project file (trying to avoid size limitations for the list this time) http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10663174/ZnO.fpj and I will attach a screenshot of Artemis demonstrating what I am talking about from my two PCs. Since I am working to determine S02 and it is very different on each PC, I am hesitant to trust any of my results right now. Thanks Jeremy --

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determining S02 from ZnO vs. Zn foil
by Jeremy Thorbahn 09 Oct '12

09 Oct '12

[note: when putting together this post I discovered a possible bug regarding opening my project files on different PCs. I will submit that issue separately] Hi all: I am writing to probe the community's knowledge regarding my current problem in measuring S02. I have data on a series of glass samples containing ZnO. I also measured a ZnO crystalline powder, and a Zn foil was measured between detectors 2 and 3 (transmission mode) simultaneously with every run. My goal is to determine coordination numbers around Zn in the glass samples, which requires an accurate measurement of S02 for zinc. My main question is if there is any reason why the Zn foil would provide a more accurate result than the ZnO powder, or vice versa. I see no reason why it should be different, especially since this method depends entirely on the 'chemical transferability' of S02 in the first place. Nevertheless, I obtain different results from each, with S02 ~ 0.75 from the ZnO and ~0.88 from the foil. Statistically, the Zn foil dataset is "better" since it is a merge of all of my scans while there are only two scans of ZnO. However, part of me wants to trust the ZnO data more, for somewhat vague reasons such as that it is a "more similar" coordination environment to what I would expect in my samples, and that it was measured between the same two detectors, etc. If anyone has any experience that would indicate why one should be better than the other, I would love to hear about it. I will attach Artemis project files for each if you'd like to take a look at my fits. It is entirely possible that the discrepancy is due to an error in data processing or analysis on my part; I am by no means an expert. I hope the project files will not clog up anyone's mailbox, at a couple of megabytes each. Thanks, Jeremy

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Atoms bug & Athena request
by Bruce Ravel 04 Oct '12

04 Oct '12

Fred: Thanks for the bug report. It was a simple fix and I even uncovered another mistake in how crystal data that is entered by hand gets interpreted. Cool! Bradley: You'll be putin' on your dancing shoes after the next release. The combinatorial output files will be named as you requested. As always, thanks for the feedback. B -- Bruce Ravel ------------------------------------ bravel(a)bnl.gov National Institute of Standards and Technology Synchrotron Methods Group at NSLS --- Beamlines U7A, X24A, X23A2 Building 535A Upton NY, 11973 Homepage: http://xafs.org/BruceRavel Software: https://github.com/bruceravel

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possible minor bug in atoms in artemis probably just me
by fred.mosselmans＠diamond.ac.uk 04 Oct '12

04 Oct '12

Hi Bruce et al. I searched the mailing list for something similar as i feel this is so obvious it must be there to find. However i could n't find it so ... Also there's are easy workable workarounds so it's not very important. I was XAS data for atoms that sit in substituted sites in a known lattices - Sr in calcite, If i build the calcite lattice in atoms stand alone and save output from there and read into artemis then substitute Sr for Ca before running Feff etc. And import to Artemis the world is lovely (viewed on the perspective does the program continue working perspective and no wider one.) If i try to either read my Sr prj and then do the same (i.e. typing the xtal paras in) within artemis or just try to do that before reading in the Sr data the program crashes as soon as i try to run atoms. The log file error line is: Can't call method "element" without a package or object reference at C:/strawberry/perl/site/lib/Demeter/Atoms/Absorption.pm line 31. If i read the saved atoms input file (from stand-alone) into Demeter it runs fine. So i guess something is set up when i save it in stand alone atoms that ain't inputted by me and that helps out. Maybe this is meant to happen as people are supposed to read in cif files and the like and for slow people like myself who enter things by hand there are obstacles left strewn on the road. Fred The atoms inp file is attached. This works however entering these same xtal paras by hand doesn't if it's my hand(s) There are more recent calcite lattice paras but that doesn't affect the process. -- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential, copyright and or privileged material, and are for the use of the intended addressee only. If you are not the intended addressee or an authorised recipient of the addressee please notify us of receipt by returning the e-mail and do not use, copy, retain, distribute or disclose the information in or attached to the e-mail. Any opinions expressed within this e-mail are those of the individual and not necessarily of Diamond Light Source Ltd. Diamond Light Source Ltd. cannot guarantee that this e-mail or any attachments are free from viruses and we cannot accept liability for any damage which you may sustain as a result of software viruses which may be transmitted in or with the message. Diamond Light Source Limited (company no. 4375679). Registered in England and Wales with its registered office at Diamond House, Harwell Science and Innovation Campus, Didcot, Oxfordshire, OX11 0DE, United Kingdom

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D-Athena Request
by BradleyW Miller 03 Oct '12

03 Oct '12

Hi, A minor (I hope) request for D-Athena on PC's. When running a LCF (eg collected a spectrum and named it AsScan1) and exporting the LCF predicted results to an excel file, the default name of the newly created xls file is "combinatorial.xls". In Athena (on PC) the default output file name was the name of the spectra you are fitting (eg AsScan1.cvs). If the default in D-Athena could be the name of the original spectra again that would be very appreciated. If it could be the name of the spectra and the name of the fit space (eg. AsScan1.derv.xls or AsScan1.norm.xls or AsScan1.Chi.xls)... I may have to dance a jig in your honor. Thanks for your time and the freeware. Respectfully, Bradley W. Miller, Ph.D. Post Doctoral Fellow Oak Ridge Institute for Science and Education U. S. Environmental Protection Agency National Risk Management Research Laboratory Land Remediation and Pollution Control Division 5995 Center Hill Avenue, Cincinnati, OH 45224-1702 Office: (513) 487-2889 Miller.BradleyW(a)epa.gov Fax: (513) 569-7879 www.epa.gov www.tinyurl.com/bwmiller The great tragedy of Science—the slaying of beautiful hypothesis by an ugly fact.— Thomas H. Huxley Views or Opinions expressed in this email is solely representative of the sender and does not represents those of the EPA or any other agency.

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Quick first shell (QFS) theory in Artemis
by Bruce Ravel 02 Oct '12

02 Oct '12

Hi all, One of the bugs reported last week involved a project file which made extensive use of the "quick first shell" -- or QFS -- feature of Artemis. The bug involved a problem importing such paths from a saved project file. That bug has been fixed in the 0.9.13 release that I announce a short while ago. This project file that triggered the bug reminded me of an issue that has come up at several recent XAS training courses that I have participated in. In situations where rather little is known about the structure of a material, there is a thought that the QFS tool could provide a model-independent way of generating scattering amplitudes and phase shifts for atoms suspected of being in the material. While the QFS tool is a reasonable thing for atoms in the first coordination shell (hence the name!), this is a dangerous practice for atoms at longer distances. Artemis does not police its misuse in this way beyond simply issuing a warning sugesting that you may be doing something inappropriate. A full discussion of this topic is rather lengthy, so I will refer you to a wiki page that I wrote: http://cars9.uchicago.edu/ifeffit/Demeter/QFS If you have considered using the QFS tool for atoms beyond the first coordination shell, please read that wiki page all the way to the end. Regards, B -- Bruce Ravel ------------------------------------ bravel(a)bnl.gov National Institute of Standards and Technology Synchrotron Methods Group at NSLS --- Beamlines U7A, X24A, X23A2 Building 535A Upton NY, 11973 Homepage: http://xafs.org/BruceRavel Software: https://github.com/bruceravel

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news + 0.9.13
by Bruce Ravel 02 Oct '12

02 Oct '12

Hi! I just gave Demeter's homepage a make-over. It's looking quite nice: http://bruceravel.github.com/demeter/ Links for downloading the windows packages are on the left. I also just posted version 0.9.13 on the downloads site and tagged the source code. I am trying something new with this release. Rather than rebuilding the whole Windows installer package with each release, I am now making Windows updater packages. It works like this: * Whenever I make a big change to Demeter or any of its dependencies, I will release a new Windows installer package. * For bug fixes and feature enhancements, I will release a new updater package. * The updater should be installed ON TOP OF the installer package. The current installer is Demeter 0.9.12. The current updater will update that to 0.9.13. If you have already installed 0.9.12 on your Windows computer, simply download and run the updater. If you have not yet installed 0.9.12, download both packages. Run the installer first, then run the updater. If that is not clear, everything is explained in detail at http://cars9.uchicago.edu/ifeffit/Demeter/WindowsUpdater This update fixes all of the problems that were reported last week on the mailing list. Here is the list of changes: https://github.com/bruceravel/demeter/blob/master/Changes.org Regards, B -- Bruce Ravel ------------------------------------ bravel(a)bnl.gov National Institute of Standards and Technology Synchrotron Methods Group at NSLS --- Beamlines U7A, X24A, X23A2 Building 535A Upton NY, 11973 Homepage: http://xafs.org/BruceRavel Software: https://github.com/bruceravel

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Re: [Ifeffit] GDS parameters
by Matt Newville 01 Oct '12

01 Oct '12

John, On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 12:13 AM, John Farell <john_far(a)rediffmail.com> wrote: > > Dear friends, > > We are doing an experiment of temperature based phase transition. I need to get the values of all four GDS > parameters with errors. I know the theoretical model (i. e., atoms page). But to get all the four parameter > values with errors (amp, enot, delr, ss ). For this I cannot "set" all the parameters as well ass I cannot > guess all the parameters. Any suggestions for this problem ?. It's a bit hard for me to tell whether the question is about how to operate the program, or about some problem with operating it the way you think it should work. Why can't you set all the parameters? Are you unable to do this, or this something that you want to not do? Similarly, why can't you guess all the parameters? Is it that the Artemis GUI is not letting you do this? --Matt

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Athena closing on data import
by jiahui 01 Oct '12

01 Oct '12

Dear list, I have the problem of Athena closing on data import without any message. I went through the threads about this topic but fail to find the solution. I really appreciate that anyone can tell me how to fix it. Best regards, jiahui -----Original Message----- From: ifeffit-bounces(a)millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov [mailto:ifeffit-bounces@millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov] On Behalf Of ifeffit-request(a)millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov Sent: 28 September 2012 18:00 To: ifeffit(a)millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov Subject: Ifeffit Digest, Vol 115, Issue 26 Send Ifeffit mailing list submissions to ifeffit(a)millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/ifeffit or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ifeffit-request(a)millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov You can reach the person managing the list at ifeffit-owner(a)millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Ifeffit digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: (D) Athena closing on data import (Bruce Ravel) 2. Re: Issue On Re-Open of File in Artemis (Bruce Ravel) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 13:05:32 -0400 From: Bruce Ravel <bravel(a)bnl.gov> To: XAFS Analysis using Ifeffit <ifeffit(a)millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov> Subject: Re: [Ifeffit] (D) Athena closing on data import Message-ID: <1870787.0HCcKRKktn(a)lachesis.bnl.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On Thursday, September 27, 2012 01:22:36 PM Jeremy Thorbahn wrote: > I had not anticipated that the > turnaround time on getting a fix for my problem would be within the > hour Well, it's good timing to post to the list as I am walking back to my desk after a couple of hours at the beamline. :) Glad it worked out for you. B -- Bruce Ravel ------------------------------------ bravel(a)bnl.gov National Institute of Standards and Technology Synchrotron Methods Group at NSLS --- Beamlines U7A, X24A, X23A2 Building 535A Upton NY, 11973 Homepage: http://xafs.org/BruceRavel Software: https://github.com/bruceravel ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 13:59:40 -0400 From: Bruce Ravel <bravel(a)bnl.gov> To: XAFS Analysis using Ifeffit <ifeffit(a)millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov> Subject: Re: [Ifeffit] Issue On Re-Open of File in Artemis Message-ID: <6179390.OcvHgOAaDK(a)lachesis.bnl.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dan, Saving and reloading a project which uses a quick first shell path is very very broken right now. Getting it completely right may take a while. Sorry for that. B On Thursday, September 27, 2012 04:23:43 PM Daniel Whittaker wrote: > I am having an issue with a project i was working on yesterday - one i > hope can be resolved rather easily. > I was working on the project yesterday then i saved the file and > closed Artemis and all was well. > > However, today when i try and open the file and continue working on it > it instantly crashes the software on pressing FIT. First thing this > morning i updated to version 0.9.12. I am modelling using the first > shell fit that is built in - possible source of error? > I dont know the root cause of the issue as everything i have done here > i have done before with other datasets with no issue. I have tried > starting from scratch and reinstalling the software too but the issue > persists - it all works well (when startingg from scratch) until it > is saved and then tried to reopen. -- Bruce Ravel ------------------------------------ bravel(a)bnl.gov National Institute of Standards and Technology Synchrotron Methods Group at NSLS --- Beamlines U7A, X24A, X23A2 Building 535A Upton NY, 11973 Homepage: http://xafs.org/BruceRavel Software: https://github.com/bruceravel ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Ifeffit mailing list Ifeffit(a)millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov http://millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/ifeffit End of Ifeffit Digest, Vol 115, Issue 26 ****************************************

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Importing Multiple Data Sets into Athena
by Daniel Whittaker 01 Oct '12

01 Oct '12

Hello all, I am having a small issue when importing multiple data sets into Athena all of which have a reference channel. The issue i am experiencing is that when importing multiple data sets together they do not all import correctly. The first data set (of all selected) imports fine (The data is Np and the reference Zr foil) - it imports the reference file which can be aligned to the calibration Zr foil file. However, the remainder of the files do not work at all, the reference channel does not import correctly at all. I have tried (best as i can tell) all of the pre-process options to no avail. When i import them individually it works although I have to tell it what element the ref channel is and the edge and E0 (couldn't the edge and E0 be linked such that selection of one filled the other?) but this isn't too much of an issue. It is by no means a massive problem but i thought i would ask if there is a way around it or if it is a real bug? All other multiple data processing - such as "align marked groups" - works fine. Regards, Dan Whittaker

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