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32 Windows installer for testing
by Bruce Ravel 26 Jun '14

26 Jun '14

Hi all, I just built a 32 bit version of the Demeter installer: https://s3.amazonaws.com/demeter4xas/Demeter_Installer_for_Windows_0.9.20_(… If you have a 32 bit Windows machine, could you give this a try and report back to the list? If you could do a bit more than just fire up the programs, that would be helpful. I think it works, but it would be reassuring to know that it works for someone else besides me. Thanks in advance, B -- Bruce Ravel ------------------------------------ bravel(a)bnl.gov National Institute of Standards and Technology Synchrotron Science Group at NSLS --- Beamlines U7A, X24A, X23A2 Building 535A Upton NY, 11973 Homepage: http://xafs.org/BruceRavel Software: https://github.com/bruceravel

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Exchange Dirac Hara on Artemis
by Siri V 25 Jun '14

25 Jun '14

Dear Dr. Bruce Ravel, Thank you for your quick reply. If my problem is using Artemis, do you mean I should not use Run Feff under Artemis [Feff] Atoms and Feff, if I want to incorporate Exchange 1 0 0? My other approach was running the feff.inp on feff6 and have it calculate all the paths with Exchange 1 0 0. Is this the solution you have in mind? However, when I am in Artemis 0.9.13, I cannot find the option for Artemis to pull those pre-calculated paths into the project file. Kind regards, Siri --------------------------------------------------------- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 15:53:39 -0400 From: Bruce Ravel <bravel(a)bnl.gov> To: XAFS Analysis using Ifeffit <ifeffit(a)millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov> Subject: Re: [Ifeffit] Exchange Dirac Hara on Artemis Message-ID: <53AB28C3.6090208(a)bnl.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 06/25/2014 03:45 PM, Siri V wrote: > > - open this data file in Artemis 0.9.13 and ^^^^^^ There's your first problem. B --------------------------------------------------------- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 12:45:00 -0700 From: Siri V <siripunt(a)uw.edu> To: ifeffit(a)millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov Subject: [Ifeffit] Exchange Dirac Hara on Artemis Message-ID: <CAGMtT44vT0pSEJdzcD33W5a37JT-72QCUZktkX2t7fvCLSE=UQ(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Dear Dr. Matt Newville, Thank you for your quick reply and attention to my inquiry. I have change the exchange card so that it has only 3 numbers: EXCHANGE 1 0 0. Please find attached the input file, feff.inp. To replicate my error, please: - open this data file in Artemis 0.9.13 and - refer to Artemis [Feff] Atoms and Feff - click Run Feff You should see the following error report: Feff executable: C:\strawberry\c\bin\feff6.exe) Feff 6.01l exchange exchange Token 0 Keyword unrecognized. See FEFF document -- some old features are no longer available. RDINP-2 ********** Feff calculation finished at 2014-06-25T12:40:41 Kind regards, Siri ---------------------------------------------------- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 07:18:42 -0500 From: Matt Newville <newville(a)cars.uchicago.edu> To: XAFS Analysis using Ifeffit <ifeffit(a)millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov> Subject: Re: [Ifeffit] Exchange Dirac Hara on Artemis Message-ID: <CA+7ESbrgvWpVATmbMCCW+R3iAzO0gRcsD2zLj4YKbzU8TZwy_Q(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi Siri, Hmm, not sure -- running feff6L with exchange 1 works for me. The exchange card only takes 3 numbers (index v_real v_imag). If you're still having troubles, please send a complete input file, plain text format, or the complete project file. Sending the full plain text of the output you get would be helpful too. In general: Please don't send screenshots -- they're too hard to read and don't tell the whole story. We're willing to help, but it's very hard for us to guess what might be going on with a partial story. --Matt

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Re: [Ifeffit] Bug report: Artemis cannot re-open saved projects
by Badari Rao 25 Jun '14

25 Jun '14

Dear Sir, The new release is working fine in windows 7 64 bit. I was able to re-open a saved file. Thank you very much. However, there is one more problem happening. When I re-open a previous file and simply press on save and then close it (I did not do anything else at all), all the data is lost. My file size which was 179KB, reduced to 1KB and when I re-opened it, there was nothing stored in it. There is no problem if I do more fitting and then save the data. This is a minor problem but a dangerous as one might lose all his hard-work done in fitting the data. @Matt Newville: I had included a dataset while creating the sample file, but strangely only the Feff input file was stored. I guess the dataset is not saved until we actually run a fit. Also, the problem of not being able to re-open saved project was not only with an empty fits, but also with files with actual fits in them. However, this has been resolved with the new release https://s3.amazonaws.com/demeter4xas/Demeter_Installer_for_Windows_0.9.20_p…. <https://s3.amazonaws.com/demeter4xas/Demeter_Installer_for_Windows_0.9.20_p…> -- Thanks & Regards, Badari Narayana. A. R. Ph.D Student, Nanoscience and Nanotechnology, c/o Prof Rajeev Ranjan, Electroceramics Lab, Department of Materials Engineering, Indian Institute of Science.

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Exchange Dirac Hara on Artemis
by Siri V 25 Jun '14

25 Jun '14

Dear Dr. Matt Newville, Thank you for your quick reply and attention to my inquiry. I have change the exchange card so that it has only 3 numbers: EXCHANGE 1 0 0. Please find attached the input file, feff.inp. To replicate my error, please: - open this data file in Artemis 0.9.13 and - refer to Artemis [Feff] Atoms and Feff - click Run Feff You should see the following error report: Feff executable: C:\strawberry\c\bin\feff6.exe) Feff 6.01l exchange exchange Token 0 Keyword unrecognized. See FEFF document -- some old features are no longer available. RDINP-2 ********** Feff calculation finished at 2014-06-25T12:40:41 Kind regards, Siri Message: 2 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 07:18:42 -0500 From: Matt Newville <newville(a)cars.uchicago.edu> To: XAFS Analysis using Ifeffit <ifeffit(a)millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov> Subject: Re: [Ifeffit] Exchange Dirac Hara on Artemis Message-ID: <CA+7ESbrgvWpVATmbMCCW+R3iAzO0gRcsD2zLj4YKbzU8TZwy_Q(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi Siri, Hmm, not sure -- running feff6L with exchange 1 works for me. The exchange card only takes 3 numbers (index v_real v_imag). If you're still having troubles, please send a complete input file, plain text format, or the complete project file. Sending the full plain text of the output you get would be helpful too. In general: Please don't send screenshots -- they're too hard to read and don't tell the whole story. We're willing to help, but it's very hard for us to guess what might be going on with a partial story. --Matt

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Re: [Ifeffit] Question about XAFS resolution
by Matt Newville 25 Jun '14

25 Jun '14

Hi Shoaib, On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 7:34 AM, Shoaib Muhammad <mshoaibce(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Dear Matt Newville, > > Sorry to disturb you by asking one question, hopefully you will mind it. Asking on the ifeffit mailing list is generally better. I am CCing this reply to that list. > I often see that resolution XAFS spectrum of K-edge and especially pre-edge is good for > 3d transition metal but comparatively 4d transition metal XAFS spectra and its pre-edge > spectrum is poor. Is it due to low energy resolution at higher energy level at synchrotron > source or something related with electronic transitions? because as far I understand > pre-edge in 3d transition metal is due to 1s-3d and 4d metals is 1s-4d. > The energy resolution is a convolution of monochromator energy resolution and natural line-width of the core electronic level. Generally speaking, for K edges below 10 keV or so, Si(111) and the core-level widths are comparable, ranging from ~0.5eV to 2 eV. Both the mono resolution and core-width increase with energy, but the core-width increases quadratically and so tends to dominate at higher energies (say, above 20 keV). Core level widths for L3 edges are about 2x that of K edges, so that this term almost always dominates for L3 edges. > I am student in Sungkyunkwan University (Korea) and a beginner of XAFS. Cheers, --Matt

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Exchange Dirac Hara on Artemis
by Siri V 25 Jun '14

25 Jun '14

Dear Dr. Matt Newville, Thank you for your reply. I was able to run the FEFF calculation on Artemis (Demeter 0.9.13), before I included the card below: EXCHANGE 1 0.0 0.0 -1 [image: Inline image 2] I received an error as follow: [image: Inline image 3] I am not sure what I did wrong, should I refer to the EXCHANGE card differently? Please kindly advise, Best regards Siri ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Matt Newville <newville(a)cars.uchicago.edu> Date: Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [Ifeffit] Exchange Dirac Hara on Artemis To: XAFS Analysis using Ifeffit <ifeffit(a)millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov> Hi Siri, On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Siri V <siripunt(a)uw.edu> wrote: > Dear ifeffit members, > > I would like to inquire whether the Feff's Exchange card (Dirac Hara) is > supported on Artemis fitting program. > Yes. You can edit the feff input file and change the exchange card (or other cards) before running the calculation. --Matt

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Re: [Ifeffit] Bug report: Artemis cannot re-open saved projects
by Badari Rao 24 Jun '14

24 Jun '14

Hello Sir, I wanted to report that I am facing the same problem as the one faced by Mengling Stuckman (dated: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 11:53:10 -0700.) It does not appear to be problem with the operating system because I am facing the same problem in systems with windows 7 as well as windows xp. I have tried a fresh install on a new system with windows 7 os, and the same problem occurred. Even a simple artemis file in which I have just imported and saved the processed file from athena cannot be re-opened in artemis. Kindly sort out the problem. I have attached one sample artemis file which is giving the problem and also the demeter log file from %APPDATA%\demeter. <https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=ifeffit%40millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov&q…> Thanking You, -- Yours Sincerely, Badari Narayana. A. R. Ph.D Student, Nanoscience and Nanotechnology, c/o Prof Rajeev Ranjan, Electroceramics Lab, Department of Materials Engineering, Indian Institute of Science.

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Exchange Dirac Hara on Artemis
by Siri V 23 Jun '14

23 Jun '14

Dear ifeffit members, I would like to inquire whether the Feff's Exchange card (Dirac Hara) is supported on Artemis fitting program. Kind regards, Siri University of Washington

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Re: [Ifeffit] Ifeffit Digest, Vol 136, Issue 17
by madhusmita sahoo 22 Jun '14

22 Jun '14

Respected Dr. Bruce, I am looking forward to the updated version with the correction. Regards Madhusmita Regards Madhusmita Sahoo, SO/C,TFCS/SND/MSG(22171) Indira Gandhi Centre for Atomic Research, Kalpakkam, Tamilnadu On 21 June 2014 22:30, <ifeffit-request(a)millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov> wrote: > Send Ifeffit mailing list submissions to > ifeffit(a)millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/ifeffit > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > ifeffit-request(a)millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ifeffit-owner(a)millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Ifeffit digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Ifeffit Digest, Vol 136, Issue 11 (Bruce Ravel) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 17:47:31 -0400 > From: Bruce Ravel <bravel(a)bnl.gov> > To: XAFS Analysis using Ifeffit <ifeffit(a)millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov> > Subject: Re: [Ifeffit] Ifeffit Digest, Vol 136, Issue 11 > Message-ID: <53A4ABF3.4070901(a)bnl.gov> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > Well, not only was the shift vector not working, it seems I had somehow > neglected to even implement it in Demeter! It's amazing what can go > unnoticed and for how long. > > This will be fixed in the next release. Thank you, Madhusmita, for > bringing this to my attention. > > B > > > On 06/18/2014 09:38 AM, Bruce Ravel wrote: > > On 06/18/2014 07:52 AM, madhusmita sahoo wrote: > >> Contd- Crystallographic input for a structure having screw axis and > >> co-ordinates shifted by certain amount > >> Dear sir, > >> herewith I am attaching two input files. The first one with the name > >> wyckoff .inp generates The first co-ordination sphere at 1.9465 angstrom > >> with degenracy of 6. > >> According to crystal structure data anatase structure should have 4 > >> oxygens at 1.9339 angstrom and 2 oxygens at 1.9796 angstrom. > >> So, I tried with the crystal input from the latest PDF-4+2013 > >> database(attaching the PDF as word file for your ref. > >> That ( inp file - attached)eventually generates the required > >> co-ordination sphere with 4 oxygen at 1.3964( as against the XRD data of > >> 1.9339) and 2 oxygen at 1.8925(aginst the XRD data from PDf-4+2013 of > >> 1.9796 angstrom) > > > > You seem to be asking about Atoms' use of the shift vector. > > Specifically, you seem to be asking whether the shift vector is > > working correctly. > > > > If so, that appears to be a legitimate question and the answer appears > > to be /no/. Sigh.... I will look into it and try to have that fixed > > in time for the next release. > > > > Cheers, > > B > > > > > > > > > -- > Bruce Ravel ------------------------------------ bravel(a)bnl.gov > > National Institute of Standards and Technology > Synchrotron Science Group at NSLS --- Beamlines U7A, X24A, X23A2 > Building 535A > Upton NY, 11973 > > Homepage: http://xafs.org/BruceRavel > Software: https://github.com/bruceravel > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Ifeffit mailing list > Ifeffit(a)millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov > http://millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/ifeffit > > > End of Ifeffit Digest, Vol 136, Issue 17 > **************************************** >

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Re: [Ifeffit] Ifeffit Digest, Vol 136, Issue 11
by madhusmita sahoo 20 Jun '14

20 Jun '14

Contd- Crystallographic input for a structure having screw axis and co-ordinates shifted by certain amount Dear sir, herewith I am attaching two input files. The first one with the name wyckoff .inp generates The first co-ordination sphere at 1.9465 angstrom with degenracy of 6. According to crystal structure data anatase structure should have 4 oxygens at 1.9339 angstrom and 2 oxygens at 1.9796 angstrom. So, I tried with the crystal input from the latest PDF-4+2013 database(attaching the PDF as word file for your ref. That ( inp file - attached)eventually generates the required co-ordination sphere with 4 oxygen at 1.3964( as against the XRD data of 1.9339) and 2 oxygen at 1.8925(aginst the XRD data from PDf-4+2013 of 1.9796 angstrom) Regards Madhusmita Sahoo, SO/C,TFCS/SND/MSG(22171) Indira Gandhi Centre for Atomic Research, Kalpakkam, Tamilnadu On 13 June 2014 22:30, <ifeffit-request(a)millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov> wrote: > Send Ifeffit mailing list submissions to > ifeffit(a)millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/ifeffit > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > ifeffit-request(a)millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ifeffit-owner(a)millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Ifeffit digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Scattering paths in XANES calculations (Bruce Ravel) > 2. Re: Crystallographic input for a structure having screw axis > and co-ordinates shifted by certain amount (Bruce Ravel) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 15:42:22 -0400 > From: Bruce Ravel <bravel(a)bnl.gov> > To: XAFS Analysis using Ifeffit <ifeffit(a)millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov> > Subject: Re: [Ifeffit] Scattering paths in XANES calculations > Message-ID: <539A029E.4050609(a)bnl.gov> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 06/12/2014 10:07 AM, Stefanie Roese wrote: > > But now I fail at getting the plots with the Energy at the x-axis and > > the normailzed mu at the y-axis likle Bruce did it in his talk. Which > > program was used there? Athena? And how can I get the > > energy/mu-information out of my feffnnn.dat files to compare to the > > total spectrum? I think I am quite close to the solution, but it does > > not work. > > Stefanie, > > The R-space figures were made using Artemis. I fit the Fe foil data > using the version of Feff6 that comes with Artemis, then plotted the > data and the path relevant to each slide. > > The energy plots were made using Athena back in the early days of Feff8 > (which were also the early days of Athena!). The plots show Fe foil > data and (if I remember correctly) column 4 of the xmu.dat file that was > one of the output files from Feff of that vintage. I imported the data > and the xmu.dat file into Athena to make those plots. The calculation > is offset downwards a bit using the y-axis offset in Athena. > > To answer Matthew's question: interesting? Not sure I'd go that far...! > Here's the link: > > > > https://speakerdeck.com/bruceravel/a-practical-introduction-to-multiple-sca… > > B > > > > -- > Bruce Ravel ------------------------------------ bravel(a)bnl.gov > > National Institute of Standards and Technology > Synchrotron Science Group at NSLS --- Beamlines U7A, X24A, X23A2 > Building 535A > Upton NY, 11973 > > Homepage: http://xafs.org/BruceRavel > Software: https://github.com/bruceravel > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 15:49:56 -0400 > From: Bruce Ravel <bravel(a)bnl.gov> > To: XAFS Analysis using Ifeffit <ifeffit(a)millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov> > Subject: Re: [Ifeffit] Crystallographic input for a structure having > screw axis and co-ordinates shifted by certain amount > Message-ID: <539A0464.1090102(a)bnl.gov> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > Madhusmita, > > Regarding the first question, I am not clear what the problem is. I > grabbed the crystal data for anatase from Matt's website: > > http://cars9.uchicago.edu/atomsdb/TiO2-ana.inp > > and imported it into Artemis. I certainly don't know what the > interatomic distances for anatase should be off the top of my head, but > what Atoms produced from that input data certainly seems reasonable. If > you think there is a problem, you are going to need to explain it in a > way that I can reproduce easily on my own computer. > > Regarding the second question, the vector specified in the box labeled > "Shift vector" will be added to each site *before* any calculation is made. > > B > > On 06/12/2014 01:45 AM, madhusmita sahoo wrote: > > Dear Members, > > > > I would like to know, > > > > *Q1)* If there is a screw axis in the system, like the anatase phase of > > TiO2, whose space group is I41/amd, how should I enter that in the > > atoms for feff calculation. Kindly tell me which is the correct way. > > > > When I entered 141(the space group number) and I41/amd, both generated > > separate set of atomic positions. > > > > The older version of artemis, now the new one(latest version), both > > generates different set of atomic position with the same > > crystallographic input, i.e if I enter 141(or I41/amd) in place of space > > group and run atoms, it generates two different set of co-ordinates in > > Artemis 0.8.012 and in Demeter 0.9.18. Ideally this should be same. > > > > *Q2)* And when co-ordinates is shifted by certain amount, do we have to > > enter that in the shift vector as well as while defining the (x y z) > > of a particular site. Or I should just enter the shift vector and > > define the co-ordinates at its usual position ( I feel this one is > > correct). > > > > For example in anatase crystal structure the co-ordinates are shifted > > by (0,0.25,-0.125). > > > > So, the inputs can be > > > > For shift vector 0,0.25,-0.125 and in place of sites Ti(core) x=0, y=0, > > z= 0 and O (scatterer) x= 0, y=0, z=0.20806 > > > > (Or) shift vector 0,0,0 and in place of sites Ti(core) x=0, y=0.25, z= > > -0.125 and O (scatterer) x= 0, y=0.25, z=0.08160 Ideally > > > > both should give the same result. But it gives different set of atomic > > positions. > > > > Even the same input in different version of artemis is yielding > > different results(in Artemis 0.8.012 and in Demeter 0.9.18) . > > > > I am confused about how atoms work in artemis. I request you to > > elucidate the correct method. > > > > Warm wishes > > > > Madhusmita > > > > India > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ifeffit mailing list > > Ifeffit(a)millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov > > http://millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/ifeffit > > > > > -- > Bruce Ravel ------------------------------------ bravel(a)bnl.gov > > National Institute of Standards and Technology > Synchrotron Science Group at NSLS --- Beamlines U7A, X24A, X23A2 > Building 535A > Upton NY, 11973 > > Homepage: http://xafs.org/BruceRavel > Software: https://github.com/bruceravel > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Ifeffit mailing list > Ifeffit(a)millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov > http://millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/ifeffit > > > End of Ifeffit Digest, Vol 136, Issue 11 > **************************************** >

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