Re: [Ifeffit] Ifeffit Digest, Vol 114, Issue 5
Hi Dominik,
Thank you so much for your quick response. Indeed, it's really nice fitting
according to your result. But my situation seems a little bit different as
I'm dealing with the Mn XANES data and there're doublets and sometimes
triplets in the pre-edge. Actually, I might as well explain my interest of
doing such fitting. I read in the paper *(F Farges, PHYSICAL REVIEW B 71,
155109 (2005))* that the centroid of pre-edge peak is a more accurate
measurement of the oxidation state of the element of interest, compared to
the more conventional inflection point or half-way method. So I was trying
to follow the paper and see if it also works for my samples. Anyway, thanks
again for your help!
Enyuan
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 9:11 AM,
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Message: 1 Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 13:17:59 -0400 From: Marie Zwetsloot
To: ifeffit@millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov Subject: Re: [Ifeffit] question for ifeffit mailing list - ATHENA NORMALIZATION Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Scott Calvin,
Thanks for your help. Yes, this is as far as my pre- and post-edge range go. I realized I should have made them longer; it was my first time doing this and wasnt aware that i should lengthen my pre and post-edge for later on analysis. This will be good lesson for the future.
So you would not recommend doing linear combination fitting? I was planning on trying it out.. But I wouldnt want to do it if with my pre- and post-edge range, I am bound to derive wrong conclusions from the data.
Best, Marie
You might also consider the method given in: Manceau, A., Marcus, M. A., Grangeon, S. (2012) "Determination of Mn valence states in mixed-valent magnanates by XANES spectroscopy", American Mineralogist 97,816-827 (not that I'm plugging my own work or anything :-) ) Marcus, M. A. On 8/9/2012 7:53 AM, Enyuan Hu wrote:
Hi Dominik,
Thank you so much for your quick response. Indeed, it's really nice fitting according to your result. But my situation seems a little bit different as I'm dealing with the Mn XANES data and there're doublets and sometimes triplets in the pre-edge. Actually, I might as well explain my interest of doing such fitting. I read in the paper _(F Farges, PHYSICAL REVIEW B 71, 155109 (2005))_ that the centroid of pre-edge peak is a more accurate measurement of the oxidation state of the element of interest, compared to the more conventional inflection point or half-way method. So I was trying to follow the paper and see if it also works for my samples. Anyway, thanks again for your help!
Enyuan
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 9:11 AM,
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1. Re: question for ifeffit mailing list - ATHENA NORMALIZATION (Marie Zwetsloot) 2. Re: question for ifeffit mailing list - ATHENA NORMALIZATION (Scott Calvin) 3. pre-edge centroid (Enyuan Hu) 4. Re: pre-edge centroid (Dominik Samuelis)
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Message: 1 Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 13:17:59 -0400 From: Marie Zwetsloot
mailto:mjz56@cornell.edu> To: ifeffit@millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov mailto:ifeffit@millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov Subject: Re: [Ifeffit] question for ifeffit mailing list - ATHENA NORMALIZATION Message-ID: mailto:1-w4U3vk7DdNU_CUkGpK-1vJ3ioOR_CSvkj4UeCXw@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Scott Calvin,
Thanks for your help. Yes, this is as far as my pre- and post-edge range go. I realized I should have made them longer; it was my first time doing this and wasnt aware that i should lengthen my pre and post-edge for later on analysis. This will be good lesson for the future.
So you would not recommend doing linear combination fitting? I was planning on trying it out.. But I wouldnt want to do it if with my pre- and post-edge range, I am bound to derive wrong conclusions from the data.
Best, Marie
Manceau also describes his arc-tangent function in his earlier work
(Mn is also my focus):
Manceau, A.; Gorshkov, A. I.; Drits, V. A., Am. Mineral. 1992, 77
(11), 1133-1143.
I've found Farges to be a little vague on how he extracts the pre-edge
features for fitting.
Andy K.
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Matthew Marcus
You might also consider the method given in: Manceau, A., Marcus, M. A., Grangeon, S. (2012) "Determination of Mn valence states in mixed-valent magnanates by XANES spectroscopy", American Mineralogist 97,816-827
(not that I'm plugging my own work or anything :-) ) Marcus, M. A.
On 8/9/2012 7:53 AM, Enyuan Hu wrote:
Hi Dominik,
Thank you so much for your quick response. Indeed, it's really nice fitting according to your result. But my situation seems a little bit different as I'm dealing with the Mn XANES data and there're doublets and sometimes triplets in the pre-edge. Actually, I might as well explain my interest of doing such fitting. I read in the paper _(F Farges, PHYSICAL REVIEW B 71, 155109 (2005))_ that the centroid of pre-edge peak is a more accurate measurement of the oxidation state of the element of interest, compared to the more conventional inflection point or half-way method. So I was trying to follow the paper and see if it also works for my samples. Anyway, thanks again for your help!
Enyuan
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1. Re: question for ifeffit mailing list - ATHENA NORMALIZATION (Marie Zwetsloot) 2. Re: question for ifeffit mailing list - ATHENA NORMALIZATION (Scott Calvin) 3. pre-edge centroid (Enyuan Hu) 4. Re: pre-edge centroid (Dominik Samuelis)
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Message: 1 Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 13:17:59 -0400 From: Marie Zwetsloot
mailto:mjz56@cornell.edu> To: ifeffit@millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov mailto:ifeffit@millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov Subject: Re: [Ifeffit] question for ifeffit mailing list - ATHENA NORMALIZATION Message-ID:
mailto:1-w4U3vk7DdNU_CUkGpK-1vJ3ioOR_CSvkj4UeCXw@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Scott Calvin,
Thanks for your help. Yes, this is as far as my pre- and post-edge range go. I realized I should have made them longer; it was my first time doing this and wasnt aware that i should lengthen my pre and post-edge for later on analysis. This will be good lesson for the future.
So you would not recommend doing linear combination fitting? I was planning on trying it out.. But I wouldnt want to do it if with my pre- and post-edge range, I am bound to derive wrong conclusions from the data.
Best, Marie
Hello all,
I have done pre-edge fitting of Ti in multiferroic ceramics with Athena. I
have selected error function for the "background" and alternatively
Lorenztian or Gaussian function for *several* peaks, and Athena has worked
quite well. The point is to do it with some systematic procedure, and
fixing some parameters, instead of letting them being free in each step.
Certainly, Athena doesn't have the pseudo-Voigt function. Try to do this
way, Enyuan. I think Bruce has commented something about this way sometime
ago, but I am not sure.
Regards
Maria Elena
2012/8/9 Enyuan Hu
Hi Dominik,
Thank you so much for your quick response. Indeed, it's really nice fitting according to your result. But my situation seems a little bit different as I'm dealing with the Mn XANES data and there're doublets and sometimes triplets in the pre-edge. Actually, I might as well explain my interest of doing such fitting. I read in the paper *(F Farges, PHYSICAL REVIEW B 71, 155109 (2005))* that the centroid of pre-edge peak is a more accurate measurement of the oxidation state of the element of interest, compared to the more conventional inflection point or half-way method. So I was trying to follow the paper and see if it also works for my samples. Anyway, thanks again for your help!
Enyuan
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 9:11 AM,
wrote:
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1. Re: question for ifeffit mailing list - ATHENA NORMALIZATION (Marie Zwetsloot) 2. Re: question for ifeffit mailing list - ATHENA NORMALIZATION (Scott Calvin) 3. pre-edge centroid (Enyuan Hu) 4. Re: pre-edge centroid (Dominik Samuelis)
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Message: 1 Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 13:17:59 -0400 From: Marie Zwetsloot
To: ifeffit@millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov Subject: Re: [Ifeffit] question for ifeffit mailing list - ATHENA NORMALIZATION Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Scott Calvin,
Thanks for your help. Yes, this is as far as my pre- and post-edge range go. I realized I should have made them longer; it was my first time doing this and wasnt aware that i should lengthen my pre and post-edge for later on analysis. This will be good lesson for the future.
So you would not recommend doing linear combination fitting? I was planning on trying it out.. But I wouldnt want to do it if with my pre- and post-edge range, I am bound to derive wrong conclusions from the data.
Best, Marie
participants (4)
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Andrew Korinda
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Enyuan Hu
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María Elena Montero Cabrera
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Matthew Marcus