questions concerning paper
Hello, i have some questions concerning the xafs-formula in this paper (attached): "Theoretical approaches to x-ray absorption fine structure" (July 2000). The author explained on page 625 and 626 the parameters of this formula. I think, most of you have read this paper. I don't understand the meaning of lambda(k), the author wrote "... and lambda(k) is the energy-dependent XAFS mean free path (not to be confused with the de Broglie wavelength)." My question is, the mean free path whereof? The propagating photoelektron(wave) or the (back)scattered waves? In the next sentence, what is the overall amplitude factor S_0^2? How is it defined? In conjunction with question one i don't understand the expression in the next paragraph for the term e^{-2R/lambda}. The author wrote: "The decay of the wave (which wave does he mean?) due to the mean free path or finite lifetime (what does he mean?, finite lifetime of the emitted and propagating photoelektron wave?) [including core-hole lifetime] of the photoelectron is captured by ..." Is it right, that the emitted photoelektron is detectable outside the sample? Another parameter is the phase factor phi = arg f(k) "...reflects the quantum-mechanical wavelike nature of the backscattering." Please explain me the meaning of this parameter. At the bottom of this page the author wrote: "...the Debye-Waller factor, which is given to a good approximation by e^{-2 sigma^2 k^2}." In this context he refers to figure 8, where k^2 chi(k) vs. k is plotted. I don't understand this context because there is no chi in the approximation for the Debye-Waller factor. Where comes the chi here? I would be very grateful for any help you would offer to me. Thank you very much for your help and time. sincerely yours, E.Bosman --------------------------------- Eckhard Bosman e.bosman@stud.uni-goettingen.de +49 (0)551-39-14441 Raum: E0.104 Institut für Röntgenphysik Friedrich-Hund-Platz 1 37077 Göttingen Germany
Dear Eckhard,
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 6:32 AM,
Hello,
i have some questions concerning the xafs-formula in this paper (attached): "Theoretical approaches to x-ray absorption fine structure" (July 2000). The author explained on page 625 and 626 the parameters of this formula. I think, most of you have read this paper.
I don't understand the meaning of lambda(k), the author wrote "... and lambda(k) is the energy-dependent XAFS mean free path (not to be confused with the de Broglie wavelength)." My question is, the mean free path whereof? The propagating photoelektron(wave) or the (back)scattered waves?
Yes (that is both). This lambda(k) is the mean-free-path for a photo-electron of wavenumber k. That is, it is the mean distance that a photo-electron will travel before it scatters inelastically (and incoherently) from electrons (or phonons, etc) in the material. These scatterings are from the "low-energy electrons", and do not include the "back-scattering" from the highly localized electrons of the cores of neighboring atoms: those scattering events will be elastic and coherent, and give rise to the XAFS. This lamdba(k) is essentially the same mean-free-path for a photo-electron used in other electron spectroscopies, and has a classic U-shape when plotted as a function of k. I say essentially because we often fold into this term that the finite lifetime of the core-hole, which also limits how far the photo-electron can travel and still have an empty space at home to return to. Odysseus, the photo-electron (an EveryParticle: though we like to think of it as special, it is really indistinguishable from its neighbors) leaves home for war, and has many adventures on his way home which might prevent him from ever getting back. Meanwhile, there is a long line of people waiting to take his place at home.
In the next sentence, what is the overall amplitude factor S_0^2? How is it defined?
S_0^2 accounts for the relaxation of ALL THE OTHER electrons in the absorbing atom. The other core electrons respond a bit to ripping the 1s (or other) core electron out of the atom, which makes the atom that the photo-electron sees on returning slightly different from when it left. S_0^2 is simply the overlap of the N-1 electrons in the ground state atom with the N-1 electrons in the excited atom. It has to be less than 1, but is typically close to 1.0. With this definition, S_0^2 should have no energy dependence, but there are other processes (multi-electron excitations, for example) that can be considered as relaxation of the other electrons in the atom that may have energy dependence. Odysseus is gone for a very long time: can he even recognize home when he gets back? Will they recognize him
In conjunction with question one i don't understand the expression in the next paragraph for the term e^{-2R/lambda}. The author wrote: "The decay of the wave (which wave does he mean?) due to the mean free path or finite lifetime (what does he mean?, finite lifetime of the emitted and propagating photoelektron wave?) [including core-hole lifetime] of the photoelectron is captured by ..." Is it right, that the emitted photoelektron is detectable outside the sample?
The decay is of the photo-electron in that it may scatter into other low-energy electron states. The lifetime is the core-hole lifetime (how long the core-hole will live before being filled, generally through an emission process such as fluorescence. This is typically in the femtosecond range. The emitted photo-electron CAN escape the sample, though as the mean-free-path is on the order of 5 to 30Ang, the photo-electrons would only be from the top surface of the sample. In fact, one can (and some do!) measure XAFS using the emitted electrons. Typically the emitted electron current is dominated not by the primary photo-electrons, but by the cascade of electrons the photo-electrons and emitted Auger electrons cause as they scatter toward the sample surface. This is similar to the photo-currents measured with Auger spectroscopy.
Another parameter is the phase factor phi = arg f(k) "...reflects the quantum-mechanical wavelike nature of the backscattering." Please explain me the meaning of this parameter.
I'm not sure I can explain quantum mechanics. The phi = arg f(k) here (page 626, Fig 6b) is the phase-shift of the photo-electron as it scatters from the neighboring atom. That is, scattering has a finite effect on both the amplitude and phase of the photo-electron wave-function. The war changes Odysseus both physically and mentally.
At the bottom of this page the author wrote: "...the Debye-Waller factor, which is given to a good approximation by e^{-2 sigma^2 k^2}." In this context he refers to figure 8, where k^2 chi(k) vs. k is plotted. I don't understand this context because there is no chi in the approximation for the Debye-Waller factor. Where comes the chi here?
chi(k) is proportional to e^(-2 sigma^2 k^2), where sigma^2 is the mean-square-displacement in the bond length R to the neighboring atom, say from thermal vibrations. That is, we average over very many (10^9 or more) photo-electrons scattering from different neighboring atoms, and each one may be sampling a different bond length as the atoms are moving. The figure (showing k^2 * chi(k) for a sample at different temperatures) shows k^2 * chi(k) being dramatically reduced at high k as the temperature increases, and reduced less substantially at low k. As the temperature increases, so does sigma^2 (generally linear with T), and so there is an exponential decay of chi(k) that is strongly k-dependent. The more wars Odysseus sees (or the more violent the wars are), the less chance he has of making it home.
I would be very grateful for any help you would offer to me. Thank you very much for your help and time.
If that's not enough, perhaps the description in the tutorial documents at http://xafs.org/Tutorials would be helpful. --Matt
Matt, That was awesome! I **loved** the Odysseus explanation of the exafs equation. Quite possibly the best Ifeffit mailing list post ever. B -- Bruce Ravel ------------------------------------ bravel@bnl.gov National Institute of Standards and Technology Synchrotron Methods Group at NSLS --- Beamlines U7A, X24A, X23A2 Building 535A Upton NY, 11973 My homepage: http://xafs.org/BruceRavel EXAFS software: http://cars9.uchicago.edu/~ravel/software/exafs/
I loved it also, thanks Matt :-) May i cite your Odysseus explanation in my diploma thesis? ;) -------- Original-Nachricht --------
Datum: Thu, 22 May 2008 12:40:01 -0400 Von: Bruce Ravel
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Matt,
That was awesome! I **loved** the Odysseus explanation of the exafs equation. Quite possibly the best Ifeffit mailing list post ever.
B
-- Bruce Ravel ------------------------------------ bravel@bnl.gov
National Institute of Standards and Technology Synchrotron Methods Group at NSLS --- Beamlines U7A, X24A, X23A2 Building 535A Upton NY, 11973
My homepage: http://xafs.org/BruceRavel EXAFS software: http://cars9.uchicago.edu/~ravel/software/exafs/
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Or maybe a prequel, describing his peaceful home life running around the
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Hi Eckhard,
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 1:30 PM, E. Bosman
I loved it also, thanks Matt :-)
May i cite your Odysseus explanation in my diploma thesis? ;)
Sure, that's what we're here for.... Perhaps you could come up with a better story, or write a sequel. ;). Cheers, --Matt _______________________________________________ Ifeffit mailing list Ifeffit@millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov http://millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/ifeffit
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