Dear
Feff group
I am Carlos Triana, and I want ask you the following.
I am trying to calculate the feff.inp file for a theoretical amorphous
structure composed by a supercell with 24 Ti atoms surrounding by 48 oxygen
atoms with different coordination. In amorphous materials or materials with
distortions from regular crystals, the absorbing atoms may have different
surroundings.
My question is how can I build the feff.inp file in this case, shall I
define the 24 Ti atoms like absorbing atoms, because in this case the feff
does not works.
What can I do in this case, how can I build the feff.inp file with
different environments
I will be very grateful for your help
--
*Carlos Augusto Triana Estupiñan (C.A. Triana-E) Physicist M.Sc. In
Physical Sciences-Research PhD Student-Research Ångströmlaboratoriet,
Lägerhyddsv. 1 Solid State physics Uppsala University, Box 534 751 21
Uppsala, Sweden Tel: +46 018 471 3144 e-mail:carlos.triana@angstrom.uu.se
Carlos,
you can only have one absorbing atom in a feff calculation. You must run each atom separately if you want an average structure for the the amorphous material. 24 feff calculations with each Ti as the absorber. Then average the spectra. Anyone else have a better method?
hth,
Chris
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On Sep 29, 2014, at 11:44 AM, Carlos Triana Estupinan
Dear Feff group
I am Carlos Triana, and I want ask you the following. I am trying to calculate the feff.inp file for a theoretical amorphous structure composed by a supercell with 24 Ti atoms surrounding by 48 oxygen atoms with different coordination. In amorphous materials or materials with distortions from regular crystals, the absorbing atoms may have different surroundings. My question is how can I build the feff.inp file in this case, shall I define the 24 Ti atoms like absorbing atoms, because in this case the feff does not works. What can I do in this case, how can I build the feff.inp file with different environments
I will be very grateful for your help
-- Carlos Augusto Triana Estupiñan (C.A. Triana-E) Physicist M.Sc. In Physical Sciences-Research PhD Student-Research Ångströmlaboratoriet, Lägerhyddsv. 1 Solid State physics Uppsala University, Box 534 751 21 Uppsala, Sweden Tel: +46 018 471 3144 e-mail:carlos.triana@angstrom.uu.se web:http://www.uu.se/
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Carlos, A Feff.inp file has exactly 1 absorbing element. From this absorber, scattering paths to its neighboring atoms are found and the XAFS contribution calculated for each of these paths. So you need to make 24 (or more?) separate Feff.inp files. The list of atomic coordinates can be the same, but you can change which Ti atom is the absorber. Be aware that each Feff calculation really needs to take place in its own directory (as Feff will overwrite output files), so you really want approximately 24 different directories, each with its own Feff.inp file. Then you can add up all the contributions from all of the resulting feffNNNN.dat files. We know this is slightly painful and that it really should be easier. Bruce and I have started working on modifications to the Feff input / output mechanism that should eventually make this sort of thing easier. We need help doing this! --Matt On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Carlos Triana Estupinan < ctrianae@unal.edu.co> wrote:
Dear Feff group
I am Carlos Triana, and I want ask you the following. I am trying to calculate the feff.inp file for a theoretical amorphous structure composed by a supercell with 24 Ti atoms surrounding by 48 oxygen atoms with different coordination. In amorphous materials or materials with distortions from regular crystals, the absorbing atoms may have different surroundings. My question is how can I build the feff.inp file in this case, shall I define the 24 Ti atoms like absorbing atoms, because in this case the feff does not works. What can I do in this case, how can I build the feff.inp file with different environments
I will be very grateful for your help
--
*Carlos Augusto Triana Estupiñan (C.A. Triana-E) Physicist M.Sc. In Physical Sciences-Research PhD Student-Research Ångströmlaboratoriet, Lägerhyddsv. 1 Solid State physics Uppsala University, Box 534 751 21 Uppsala, Sweden Tel: +46 018 471 3144 <%2B46%20018%20471%203144> e-mail:carlos.triana@angstrom.uu.se
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On 09/29/2014 11:44 AM, Carlos Triana Estupinan wrote:
Dear Feff group
I am Carlos Triana, and I want ask you the following. I am trying to calculate the feff.inp file for a theoretical amorphous structure composed by a supercell with 24 Ti atoms surrounding by 48 oxygen atoms with different coordination. In amorphous materials or materials with distortions from regular crystals, the absorbing atoms may have different surroundings. My question is how can I build the feff.inp file in this case, shall I define the 24 Ti atoms like absorbing atoms, because in this case the feff does not works. What can I do in this case, how can I build the feff.inp file with different environments
I will be very grateful for your help
I'd like to follow up on Matt's comment. I presume you have some way of knowing a list of Cartesian coordinates for the atoms in your cluster. If so, the discussion on pages 7-10 of this talk should be helpful, with the caveat that your input file needs to be appropriate to the version of Feff you intend to use. https://speakerdeck.com/bruceravel/modeling-non-crystalline-samples?slide=9 Make one input file for each Ti atom serving as the absorber. As Matt said, take care not to overwrite your results. Were this my problem, I would prefer to organize and perform N calculation, then add them up myself. That said, Feff does provide a simple sort of configuration average. Look up "CFAVERAGE" in the Feff document. B -- Bruce Ravel ------------------------------------ bravel@bnl.gov National Institute of Standards and Technology Synchrotron Science Group at NSLS --- Beamlines U7A, X24A, X23A2 Building 535A Upton NY, 11973 Homepage: http://bruceravel.github.io/home/ Software: https://github.com/bruceravel Demeter: http://bruceravel.github.io/demeter/
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 11:48 AM, Bruce Ravel
On 09/29/2014 11:44 AM, Carlos Triana Estupinan wrote:
Dear Feff group
I am Carlos Triana, and I want ask you the following. I am trying to calculate the feff.inp file for a theoretical amorphous structure composed by a supercell with 24 Ti atoms surrounding by 48 oxygen atoms with different coordination. In amorphous materials or materials with distortions from regular crystals, the absorbing atoms may have different surroundings. My question is how can I build the feff.inp file in this case, shall I define the 24 Ti atoms like absorbing atoms, because in this case the feff does not works. What can I do in this case, how can I build the feff.inp file with different environments
I will be very grateful for your help
I'd like to follow up on Matt's comment.
I presume you have some way of knowing a list of Cartesian coordinates for the atoms in your cluster. If so, the discussion on pages 7-10 of this talk should be helpful, with the caveat that your input file needs to be appropriate to the version of Feff you intend to use.
https://speakerdeck.com/bruceravel/modeling-non- crystalline-samples?slide=9
Make one input file for each Ti atom serving as the absorber. As Matt said, take care not to overwrite your results.
Were this my problem, I would prefer to organize and perform N calculation, then add them up myself. That said, Feff does provide a simple sort of configuration average. Look up "CFAVERAGE" in the Feff document.
B
I believe CFAVERAGE does not work as advertised. I haven't checked this recently, but my recollection is that using CFAVERAGE always ends up giving a coordination number that is a whole number, which cannot always be the case. That might depend on versions of Feff, and I'd be happy to shown to be wrong about this. Can anyone else verify or shed light on this? --Matt
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Bruce Ravel
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Carlos Triana Estupinan
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Christopher Patridge
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Matt Newville