sample preparation for liquid samples
Dear all, I would like to measure manganese oxide nanoparticles at the Mn K edge. The nanoparticles are affixed to polystyrene latex carrier particles (PS) and the whole composite material (MnO2@PS with ca. 5 m-% MnO2 in the composite) is dispersed in water. Therefore we consider measuring the composite material in the dried state as a powder as well as in the dispersed state in water. The sample preparation for powders to me is quite straight forward, but I would really appreciate if somebody could share his experience with sample preparation and measurements of liquid samples. I think that aqueous samples are best measured in the fluorescence mode. That's why I am concerned of problems like self-absorption and so on. Can anybody tell my what is a good concentration range to overcome effects like self-absorption and how to get good fluorescence data in general? And what kind of sampler holder or materials (cuvettes, etc.) are best suited for aqueous samples? I am looking forward to receiving some helpful replies! Cheers, Frank Dipl. Chem. Frank Polzer F-I2 - Soft Matter and Functional Materials Helmholtzzentrum Berlin für Materialien und Energie Lise-Meitner-Campus Hahn-Meitner-Platz 1 14109 - Berlin Tel.: +49 30 8062-43830 Fax: +49 30 8062-42308 frank.polzer@helmholtz-berlin.demailto:frank.polzer@helmholtz-berlin.de Mitglied der Hermann von Helmholtz-Gemeinschaft Deutscher Forschungszentren e.V Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrates: Prof. Dr. Dr. h.c. mult. Joachim Treusch, Stellvertretende Vorsitzende: Dr. Beatrix Vierkorn-Rudolph Geschäftsführer: Prof. Dr. Anke Kaysser-Pyzalla, Prof. Dr. Dr. h.c. Wolfgang Eberhardt, Dr. Ulrich Breuer Sitz Berlin, AG Charlottenburg, 89 HRB 5583 ________________________________ Helmholtz-Zentrum Berlin für Materialien und Energie GmbH Mitglied der Hermann von Helmholtz-Gemeinschaft Deutscher Forschungszentren e.V Aufsichtsrat: Vorsitzender Prof. Dr. Dr. h.c. mult. Joachim Treusch, stv. Vorsitzende Dr. Beatrix Vierkorn- Rudolph Geschäftsführer: Prof. Dr. Anke Rita Kaysser-Pyzalla, Prof. Dr. Dr. h.c. Wolfgang Eberhardt, Dr. Ulrich Breuer Sitz Berlin, AG Charlottenburg, 89 HRB 5583 Postadresse: Hahn-Meitner-Platz 1 D-14109 Berlin http://www.helmholtz-berlin.de
Hi, you can use the standard sample holder for liquids, or to use something similar I constructed/used in Hasylab. For Mn:K edge you can also think about transmition measurements (if sample holder allows). For the concentrations - similar to solids, IMVHO. However it is good to measure few concentrations to compare them. You should also think about the effect of radiolysis in aqueous solution. To eliminate this the sample holder for liquids working in continuous-flow mode can be used. greetings kicaj W dniu 11-01-11 10:12, Polzer, Frank pisze:
Dear all,
I would like to measure manganese oxide nanoparticles at the Mn K edge.
The nanoparticles are affixed to polystyrene latex carrier particles (PS) and the whole composite material (MnO2@PS with ca. 5 m-% MnO2 in the composite) is dispersed in water.
Therefore we consider measuring the composite material in the dried state as a powder as well as in the dispersed state in water. The sample preparation for powders to me is quite straight forward, but I would really appreciate if somebody could share his experience with sample preparation and measurements of liquid samples.
I think that aqueous samples are best measured in the fluorescence mode. That’s why I am concerned of problems like self-absorption and so on.
Can anybody tell my what is a good concentration range to overcome effects like self-absorption and how to get good fluorescence data in general? And what kind of sampler holder or materials (cuvettes, etc.) are best suited for aqueous samples?
I am looking forward to receiving some helpful replies!
Cheers,
Frank
Dipl. Chem. Frank Polzer
F-I2 - Soft Matter and Functional Materials
Helmholtzzentrum Berlin für Materialien und Energie
Lise-Meitner-Campus
Hahn-Meitner-Platz 1
14109 - Berlin
Tel.: +49 30 8062-43830
Fax: +49 30 8062-42308
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Charles Supper sells capillaries with 10um wall thickness and ID ranging from 0.3 to 2.5mm, in quartz, borosilicate or regular glass. These make nice sample holders if your beam is small enough. You can either work in transmission, making the thickness and concentration such that the edge jump is ~1, or in fluorescence, making the edge jump <<1 or the absorption by the Mn << that from the water. mam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Dariusz A. Zając" To: XAFS Analysis using Ifeffit Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 1:31 AM Subject: Re: [Ifeffit] sample preparation for liquid samples Hi, you can use the standard sample holder for liquids, or to use something similar I constructed/used in Hasylab. For Mn:K edge you can also think about transmition measurements (if sample holder allows). For the concentrations - similar to solids, IMVHO. However it is good to measure few concentrations to compare them. You should also think about the effect of radiolysis in aqueous solution. To eliminate this the sample holder for liquids working in continuous-flow mode can be used. greetings kicaj W dniu 11-01-11 10:12, Polzer, Frank pisze: Dear all, I would like to measure manganese oxide nanoparticles at the Mn K edge. The nanoparticles are affixed to polystyrene latex carrier particles (PS) and the whole composite material (MnO2@PS with ca. 5 m-% MnO2 in the composite) is dispersed in water. Therefore we consider measuring the composite material in the dried state as a powder as well as in the dispersed state in water. The sample preparation for powders to me is quite straight forward, but I would really appreciate if somebody could share his experience with sample preparation and measurements of liquid samples. I think that aqueous samples are best measured in the fluorescence mode. That’s why I am concerned of problems like self-absorption and so on. Can anybody tell my what is a good concentration range to overcome effects like self-absorption and how to get good fluorescence data in general? And what kind of sampler holder or materials (cuvettes, etc.) are best suited for aqueous samples? I am looking forward to receiving some helpful replies! Cheers, Frank Dipl. Chem. Frank Polzer F-I2 - Soft Matter and Functional Materials Helmholtzzentrum Berlin für Materialien und Energie Lise-Meitner-Campus Hahn-Meitner-Platz 1 14109 - Berlin Tel.: +49 30 8062-43830 Fax: +49 30 8062-42308 frank.polzer@helmholtz-berlin.de Mitglied der Hermann von Helmholtz-Gemeinschaft Deutscher Forschungszentren e.V Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrates: Prof. Dr. Dr. h.c. mult. Joachim Treusch, Stellvertretende Vorsitzende: Dr. Beatrix Vierkorn-Rudolph Geschäftsführer: Prof. Dr. Anke Kaysser-Pyzalla, Prof. Dr. Dr. h.c. Wolfgang Eberhardt, Dr. Ulrich Breuer Sitz Berlin, AG Charlottenburg, 89 HRB 5583 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Helmholtz-Zentrum Berlin für Materialien und Energie GmbH Mitglied der Hermann von Helmholtz-Gemeinschaft Deutscher Forschungszentren e.V Aufsichtsrat: Vorsitzender Prof. Dr. Dr. h.c. mult. Joachim Treusch, stv. Vorsitzende Dr. Beatrix Vierkorn- Rudolph Geschäftsführer: Prof. Dr. Anke Rita Kaysser-Pyzalla, Prof. Dr. Dr. h.c. Wolfgang Eberhardt, Dr. Ulrich Breuer Sitz Berlin, AG Charlottenburg, 89 HRB 5583 Postadresse: Hahn-Meitner-Platz 1 D-14109 Berlin http://www.helmholtz-berlin.de _______________________________________________ Ifeffit mailing list Ifeffit@millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov http://millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/ifeffit ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Ifeffit mailing list Ifeffit@millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov http://millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/ifeffit
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"Dr. Dariusz A. Zając"
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Matthew Marcus
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Polzer, Frank