Hi, There are two more issues that I wanted to comment on, but my last message was really long, so I am writing a new one. 1. Matt suggested an amicable divorce as a way of trying to avoid many of the installation problems that we have been having recently. I would suggest a separation rather than a divorce. Ifeffit and the apps might resolve their marital issues in the future and choose to get back together. But for now, for the sake of the kids, I think a separation is a good idea. I freely confess that many of the installation problems are either due to programming mistakes I have made or due to inherent problems in how perl modules get built. It seems imprudent that Matt and Ifeffit should suffer for those reasons. And, as Matt pointed out, my codes are evolving and releasing faster than Ifeffit itself. While it is certainly less convenient for the end user to have to install several packages than a single one, it is even less convenient if the whole kit 'n' kaboodle fails because of an error in a single app. A separation is thus a very good idea. The separation works well for unix users, where it is a simple matter to grab, say, the athena source tarball and install it on top of a functional ifeffit. It is a little less convenient for the windows users. I suppose a solution is that *I* build a new windows installer package based off of Matt most recent ifeffit release when I release new source code tarball. That's not a complete solution because Sam will certainly have a different release schedule than I will. I vote that Matt, Sam, and I put off dealing with that until dealing is unavoidable. 2. Could Paul, Francois, or Chuck summarize for us the status of ifeffit + X + perl + tk + my codes on OSX? (Although I chuckled when I read it, I cannot bring myself to actually use the word Ravelware ;-) Specifically I am interested in a clear statement of how difficult it is to get my codes up an running on a virgin system and how much time it takes. I am also interested in the prospects for providing a click-n-install package for OSX users. I just gave a poster at the NSLS users meeting on my software and showed one of Francois's pictures of Atoms running on OSX. I presume that it will spark some interest. Also, NRL's beamlines at NSLS are Mac shops (thanks to Johnny Kirkland, deacon of the church of the mac) and I'll want to be running the codes there. Thanks, B -- Bruce Ravel ----------------------------------- ravel@phys.washington.edu U.S. Naval Research Laboratory, Code 6134 phone: (1) 202 767 5947 Washington DC 20375, USA fax: (1) 202 767 1697 NRL Synchrotron Radiation Consortium (NRL-SRC) Beamlines X11a, X11b, X23b, X24c, U4b National Synchrotron Light Source Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973 My homepage: http://feff.phys.washington.edu/~ravel EXAFS software: http://feff.phys.washington.edu/~ravel/software/exafs/