I think these are different problems. I have frequently seen the problem that Mauro reports, and use the right-click trick to work around it. (I never made a formal bug report because I can't figure out what circumstances make it arise, and it is probably operating-system dependent.) Maura's seems a bit different. --Scott Calvin Sarah Lawrence College At 06:26 AM 12/18/2006, you wrote:

Maura H. Jordao wrote:

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Dear all,

I’m having some problems to run Athena (Ifeffit 1.2.9) in my Windows XP (Home Edition, Version 2002), and I’m writing to this list to get a help. One of them is if I plot a graph using different options (E or k for example) for many times, the graphics window freeze and I need obligatory to close the program. The other is the Pre and Post-edge lines do not appear when I marked them to plot.

Under Windows I've observed that Athena tend to "freeze" on a selected group and clicking on other groups doesn't select them... well, the solution is simply to click with the "right mouse button" to select another group to work on. Maybe this hint is too much empirical, but works very well for me when I have the misadventure to work on Windows machines.

M.

-- Mauro Rovezzi PhD student - GILDA BM08 c/o ESRF (Grenoble, FR) _________________

Hello I suggest the problem might be "home" edition related. In my experience, XP Home is a poorly crafted subset of Pro and lots of things do not work there. Ron Quoting Scott Calvin :

I think these are different problems. I have frequently seen the problem that Mauro reports, and use the right-click trick to work around it. (I never made a formal bug report because I can't figure out what circumstances make it arise, and it is probably operating-system dependent.) Maura's seems a bit different.

--Scott Calvin Sarah Lawrence College

At 06:26 AM 12/18/2006, you wrote:

...

Maura H. Jordao wrote:

...

Dear all,

I’m having some problems to run Athena (Ifeffit 1.2.9) in my Windows XP (Home Edition, Version 2002), and I’m writing to this list to get a help. One of them is if I plot a graph using different options (E or k for example) for many times, the graphics window freeze and I need obligatory to close the program. The other is the Pre and Post-edge lines do not appear when I marked them to plot.

Under Windows I've observed that Athena tend to "freeze" on a selected group and clicking on other groups doesn't select them... well, the solution is simply to click with the "right mouse button" to select another group to work on. Maybe this hint is too much empirical, but works very well for me when I have the misadventure to work on Windows machines.

M.

-- Mauro Rovezzi PhD student - GILDA BM08 c/o ESRF (Grenoble, FR) _________________

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Hi Bruce, I'm not sure about Maura's problem, but most of the rest of the discussion seems to be centered around the same kind of issue. I don't think any of us can give a proper bug report on it; these problems seem to be OS-related and may depend on funny things like what other programs are open (or even have been open during the same session). They're also evidently not driving people crazy; most people have suggested that they are either rare or easily worked around. We know that you, Matt, and others work very hard on providing open source software to the XAFS community, and appreciate the effort and the results. It's also great that the software is platform-independent, and is successfully used on all the major operating systems. In fact, I think the nature of what you are doing means that non-reproducible OS-dependent glitches will pop up. What =should= happen is that someone familiar with the Mac should worry about quirky interactions with OS X, someone familiar with PC's the interactions with XP, etc.. I know you've made many pleas for someone to volunteer to shepherd this software on Windows, without success (perhaps because most people in the community with the necessary computer skills tend not to use that operating system). In any case, as a Windows user who encounters these glitches, I'd much rather see you continue to improve and develop the software in other ways than spend all your time tracking down individual problems on individual machines. The software =is= useful and usable...in fact, it's invaluable! --Scott Calvin Sarah Lawrence College At 09:05 AM 12/20/2006, you wrote:

Hi folks,

I have been following the discussion in the last few days about problems people are having on Windows with Athena and Artemis. I trust that everyone appreciates that my commitment to providing useful, usable software is strong and that I work very hard to meet that commitment. Unfortunately, nothing in this thread has provided me with actionable information. While I understand that some of you are having problems, no one has yet provided enough information for me even to begin solving the problem (whatever it might be). The fundamental rule of good bug reporting is that you need to provide sufficient information that I can reproduce the problem on my computer. If I cannot reproduce the problem, I cannot understand it and cannot solve it.

On my bug reporting page (http://cars9.uchicago.edu/~ravel/software/bugs.html) there is a box on the left side of the screen with links to two excellent articles in how to communicate with software developers. If you are interested in how to best help me to understand and solve problems with my software, please read through those articles and take the authors' suggestions to heart.

Since everyone is bringing up oddities in Athena, at least under Debian, if you click on the load file button a second time after setting up the input file parameters before it has completed loading, you get a second group with the identical name but it is not selectable and cannot be deleted. Jeff On Dec 20, 2006, at 11:39 AM, Matt Newville wrote:

Hi,

I agree that there have been several unrelated "issues" brought up here. Some of them are definitely reproducible, if not necessarily easy to capture as an isolated bug report.

The "out of memory" problem that Paul Fons mentioned is definitely due to ifeffit's limited, and fixed memory. This can be changed changed at compile time, but is (sadly) unavoidable in the current implementation. Someday there will be an Ifeffit 2 that eliminates this problem.

The problem with 'clicking on the file/group area' in Athena on Windows is a long-standing issue. It's fairly common (for me, anyway) to get an Athena session in this state, in which clicking on an existing group does not highlight it or make it current, and moving the mouse over it does not change the font. Sometimes a group can still be chosen as a member of a set. I don't know of an foolproof way to get to this state, but it seems to be more common when reading in several data sets, and after a project has been open and used for a while. This is definitely an irritation and it's been like this for awhile. The rest of athena still runs fine. The easiest and most reliable workaround (that I know of) is to click into a real widget in the Main Panel (so that it actually responds) and then go back to the group list and click on another group.

I haven't experienced very many random crashes of Athena.

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