Units for various parameters of ‘feffNNNN.dat’ file
Dear Ifeffit mailing list,
I have a question which concern units and I can’t find the answer in the Feff manual.
In a FeffNNN.dat output file, what are the unit of the numbers (if any) corresponding to
φc,
|Feff|,
φeff,
the reduction factor,
λ,
Re(p)
Thanks for the help.
Best Regards,
Samy Ould-Chikh
KAUST Catalysis Center
Bldg.3,Level 4, #4231
4700 King Abdullah University of Science & Technology
Thuwal 23955-6900
Kingdom of Saudi Arabia
Tel: +966 12 8084486
E-mail: samy.ouldchikh@kaust.edu.samailto:eman.ahmedbahjri@kaust.edu.sa
Website: http://kcc.kaust.edu.sa/Pages/Home.aspx
From: Ifeffit [mailto:ifeffit-bounces@millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov] On Behalf Of Ritimukta Sarangi
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 11:17 PM
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On 02/28/2017 10:10 AM, Samy Ould-Chikh wrote:
Dear Ifeffit mailing list,
I have a question which concern units and I can’t find the answer in the Feff manual.
In a FeffNNN.dat output file, what are the unit of the numbers (if any) corresponding to
φc,
|Feff|,
φeff,
the reduction factor,
λ,
Re(p)
Samy, This is a peculiar reference, but I think the clearest written explanation of this is in the manual for the ancient "feffit" program. Here is a copy of its manual: http://cars.uchicago.edu/~newville/feffit/feffit.pdf You will want to look at page 22. While the rest of the manual is not so useful anymore (in the sense that there are very few users of the old feffit remaining), it's explanation of how the feffNNNN.dat files are used is excellent. Eq. 6.1 should clarify how each term is used and what the units are. Column 1 is, of course, inverse Angstroms. Columns 2, 3, and 4 are unitless. The two phase terms go into the argument of the sine, thus must be unitless. The amplitude term is multiplied by N and S02, thus is also unitless. The reduction factor, as well, is unitless -- it is used in the computation of the amplitude term in equation 6.1. Lambda has units of angstroms, the real part of p (which is the complex wavenumber used in the Feff calculation) has units of inverse Angstrom. I am pretty certain I got all that right. I think it would be a good idea to capture all of this information as well as eq. 6.1 in the Artemis manual. HTH, B -- Bruce Ravel ------------------------------------ bravel@bnl.gov National Institute of Standards and Technology Synchrotron Science Group at NSLS-II Building 743, Room 114 Upton NY, 11973 Homepage: http://bruceravel.github.io/home/ Software: https://github.com/bruceravel Demeter: http://bruceravel.github.io/demeter/
On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 9:48 AM, Bruce Ravel
On 02/28/2017 10:10 AM, Samy Ould-Chikh wrote:
Dear Ifeffit mailing list,
I have a question which concern units and I can’t find the answer in the Feff manual.
In a FeffNNN.dat output file, what are the unit of the numbers (if any) corresponding to
φc,
|Feff|,
φeff,
the reduction factor,
λ,
Re(p)
Samy,
This is a peculiar reference, but I think the clearest written explanation of this is in the manual for the ancient "feffit" program. Here is a copy of its manual:
http://cars.uchicago.edu/~newville/feffit/feffit.pdf
You will want to look at page 22. While the rest of the manual is not so useful anymore (in the sense that there are very few users of the old feffit remaining), it's explanation of how the feffNNNN.dat files are used is excellent.
Eq. 6.1 should clarify how each term is used and what the units are. Column 1 is, of course, inverse Angstroms. Columns 2, 3, and 4 are unitless. The two phase terms go into the argument of the sine, thus must be unitless. The amplitude term is multiplied by N and S02, thus is also unitless. The reduction factor, as well, is unitless -- it is used in the computation of the amplitude term in equation 6.1.
Lambda has units of angstroms, the real part of p (which is the complex wavenumber used in the Feff calculation) has units of inverse Angstrom.
I am pretty certain I got all that right.
I think it would be a good idea to capture all of this information as well as eq. 6.1 in the Artemis manual.
HTH, B
Yes, the units for the data in the columns are: mag[feff] and red factor: unitless terms for amplitude real[2*phc] and phase[feff]: radians k, real[p]: inverse Ang lambda: Ang See http://cars.uchicago.edu/xraylarch/xafs/feffpaths.html and http://cars.uchicago.edu/xraylarch/xafs/feffpaths.html#the-exafs-equation-us... --Matt
Thanks Bruce.
Indeed having the real equation that Artemis is manipulating would be great for recent version too.
I am a bit surprised about φc and φeff.
I was expecting radian unit...
Best Regards,
Samy Ould-Chikh
KAUST Catalysis Center
Bldg.3,Level 4, #4231
4700 King Abdullah University of Science & Technology
Thuwal 23955-6900
Kingdom of Saudi Arabia
Tel: +966 12 8084486
E-mail: samy.ouldchikh@kaust.edu.sa
Website: http://kcc.kaust.edu.sa/Pages/Home.aspx
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From: Ifeffit [mailto:ifeffit-bounces@millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov] On Behalf Of Bruce Ravel
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 6:48 PM
To: XAFS Analysis using Ifeffit
Dear Ifeffit mailing list,
I have a question which concern units and I can’t find the answer in the Feff manual.
In a FeffNNN.dat output file, what are the unit of the numbers (if any) corresponding to
φc,
|Feff|,
φeff,
the reduction factor,
λ,
Re(p)
Samy, This is a peculiar reference, but I think the clearest written explanation of this is in the manual for the ancient "feffit" program. Here is a copy of its manual: http://cars.uchicago.edu/~newville/feffit/feffit.pdf You will want to look at page 22. While the rest of the manual is not so useful anymore (in the sense that there are very few users of the old feffit remaining), it's explanation of how the feffNNNN.dat files are used is excellent. Eq. 6.1 should clarify how each term is used and what the units are. Column 1 is, of course, inverse Angstroms. Columns 2, 3, and 4 are unitless. The two phase terms go into the argument of the sine, thus must be unitless. The amplitude term is multiplied by N and S02, thus is also unitless. The reduction factor, as well, is unitless -- it is used in the computation of the amplitude term in equation 6.1. Lambda has units of angstroms, the real part of p (which is the complex wavenumber used in the Feff calculation) has units of inverse Angstrom. I am pretty certain I got all that right. I think it would be a good idea to capture all of this information as well as eq. 6.1 in the Artemis manual. HTH, B -- Bruce Ravel ------------------------------------ bravel@bnl.gov National Institute of Standards and Technology Synchrotron Science Group at NSLS-II Building 743, Room 114 Upton NY, 11973 Homepage: http://bruceravel.github.io/home/ Software: https://github.com/bruceravel Demeter: http://bruceravel.github.io/demeter/ _______________________________________________ Ifeffit mailing list Ifeffit@millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov http://millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/ifeffit Unsubscribe: http://millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov/mailman/options/ifeffit ________________________________ This message and its contents including attachments are intended solely for the original recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or have received this message in error, please notify me immediately and delete this message from your computer system. Any unauthorized use or distribution is prohibited. Please consider the environment before printing this email.
On 02/28/2017 11:09 AM, Samy Ould-Chikh wrote:
I am a bit surprised about φc and φeff. I was expecting radian unit...
Sorry, as Matt said, phase is intended to be interpreted as radians. I suppose that was stated unclearly. Phi is added to 2*k*R. k*R is [Ang^-1]*[Ang], which is unitless and interpreted as radians. And I forgot about that page in the Larch manual. It's great that Matt captured that in the modern documentation. B -- Bruce Ravel ------------------------------------ bravel@bnl.gov National Institute of Standards and Technology Synchrotron Science Group at NSLS-II Building 743, Room 114 Upton NY, 11973 Homepage: http://bruceravel.github.io/home/ Software: https://github.com/bruceravel Demeter: http://bruceravel.github.io/demeter/
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Bruce Ravel
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Matt Newville
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Samy Ould-Chikh