I am corresponding with Bradley Roberts regarding his problems with installing Ifeffit on his machine. In so far as I know there have been no problems with the installer, but to be sure I have rebuilt the installer with the latest version of horae-060. I then used this installer to install Ifeffit on a freshly installed 10.4.5 system (a pismo that was gathering dust and had a new hard disk in it with just the OS). This machine had *no* software other than the OS and X11 installed. After installing Ifeffit with my latest installer build, Ifeffit worked fine (I started each binary and checked that the graphics and Tk panels show up fine). Conclusion, the mac installer is fully functional. Other than Bradley's problems (which may be unique to his system), I have not heard of any other problems. Has anyone else seen any problems with the Ifeffit-1.2.8-Mac10.4_pkg.dmg installer? Matt, I was wondering if it would be cool to add the horae version to the installer name using some predetermined format). As it stands, it is hard to know how old each release is. The windows installer selfupdates so this shouldn't be a problem, but as the horae_update script is at least for the moment broken, I am trying to release a new mac binary installer every time Bruce comes out with a new version (for people who don't want to bother installing a development environment to compile the latest horae version). Paul