I was going to roll my own version of the latest incarnation of horae, but I noticed the library structure and install location has changed (at least on os x). Can you elaborate on this (Matt or Bruce)? Better yet, is there a tar image of the source available for the mac os x version. Earlier I upgraded perl to 5.8.3 and then the older Tk broke so I was off on my own, so I was compiling everything myself, but now that the install is becoming more and more os x aware (thanks to Matt) it would seem to make sense to downgrade to Apple's older perl (which has prebinding enabled). Of course, now it only makes sense to get in sync with the official sources. Would it be possible to put up the sources on your web site Matt? Paul (an Italian (Elettra) for a ten days)