I wrote earlier that upon trying to install athena on a colleagues powerbook, I ran into problems with an undefined value in a call to the perl standard routine configure. e.g. Tk::Error: Can't call method "configure" on an undefined value at /sw/bin/athena line 1775, <R> line 9. It turns out that the problem was related to an earlier windows-related post (aka the Ravel-ware post). Although I had "cleaned" and reinstalled several times athena and Tk, I hadn't given a second thought to tkatoms -- it had no relation to athena, right? wrong! Upon reintalling tkatoms, athena worked. There must be a perl module that is installed only with tkatoms that is required by athena. Consistent with this is the observation that artemis worked out-of-the-box (e.g. a simple make) without problem. In any case all is solved. It might be a good idea however to investigate this issue further as I am fairly sure that this problem will come up again (not with me though!). In my case (on my own machines), I installed all three programs (tkatoms, athena, and artemis) and never ran into the problem. Paul