[Ifeffit] Re Iffeffit LCF

Niken Wijaya niken.wijaya at monash.edu
Wed Feb 8 19:03:03 CST 2012

Dear Prof Fred,

Thank you for your reply. I collected the data in fluorescence mode.

We have indeed anticipated the self-absorption effect and analysed the 
same standards mixtures that were diluted so that the S content is less 
than 10%.
The spectrum of disulphide, however, showed different features as those 
found in undiluted one (disulphide-10 vs disulphide), as you can see in 
the ATHENA file I attached here (the diluted samples were labelled with 
-10 after their name) which eventually alters the samples' spectra.

I have also done the LCF on these diluted samples and the fitting 
results are not as what it should be:

S2: ~20% disulphide and 80% thiophene. LCF reported 1.6% disulphide and 
98.4% thiophene.
S3: ~60% disulphide and 40% thiophene. LCH reported 11.2% disulphide and 
88.8% thiophene.
S4: ~80% disulphide and 20% thiophene. LCH reported 82.4% disulphide and 
17.6% thiophene. (This surprisingly gave a better fitting than the 
undiluted one, as I mentioned in the previous mail).

I noticed that the intensity of samples S2-10 and S3-10 is higher than 
both of the standard spectra (thiophene-10 and disulphide-10) which I 
presumed to be the main cause for the incorrect fitting results obtained 
for these samples. Do you have any suggestions on how to tackle this issue?

You most probably right that the samples are not well-mixed (the 
thiophene we analyzed is dibenzothiophene and it is in powder form). 
Also we only use a small amount of it for the analysis.


On 8/02/2012 6:24 PM, fred.mosselmans at diamond.ac.uk wrote:
> Dear Niken,
> To my untutored eye your normalisation and fitting look OK so thus it comes down to the data or whether the treatment is valid:
> Did you collect the data in fluorescence mode? Two possible problems occur to me.
> As thiophene is a liquid at RT unless you did the experiment cryogenically I think 2 is unlikely.
> 1) Most probably there is an inherent self-absorption problem with S XANES LCF which was written about by G. Almkvist, K. Boye and I. Persson
> J. Synchrotron Rad. (2010). 17, 683-688    [ doi:10.1107/S0909049510022946 ]
> K-edge XANES analysis of sulfur compounds: an investigation of the relative intensities using internal calibration. The self-absorption seen can affect the results of simple LCF data quite alot.
> 2) the samples were not well enough mixed, hence the data collected does not reflect the real mixture but a fraction that is more like the values you obtain by the LCF.
> S K-edge measurements don't sample much sample (sorry for that) so mixing solid standards is not necessarily trivial but for liquids/solutions this should not apply.
> Cheers
> Fred
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