[Ifeffit] ODP: Ifeffit Digest, Vol 89, Issue 17

Zajac, Dariusz A. dariusz.zajac at desy.de
Wed Jul 28 04:55:30 CDT 2010 

Hi Rana,
in the simple approximation E0 can be connected to electronic configuration of ion, in your situation (but I can only guess) ions can have different E0's (Fe, Mn), but in the first step I would keep one E0 value for each ion (one E0 for O, one for Fe, etc), especially that you are focused on first shell of oxygen

here we/I had a small discussion about E0 http://www.mail-archive.com/ifeffit@millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov/msg01745.html
here you can find also something http://xafs.org/Tutorials?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=Newville_Intro.pdf

best regards
darek

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Temat: Re: [Ifeffit] Ifeffit Digest, Vol 89, Issue 17
 
Hello Darek,

Thank you so much for your reply.

Yes, i can rely on model, we have performed reitveld refinement to get 
the crystallographic data.

To my knowledge, there should not be any other phases.

Your suggestion is quite right. Somehow,  i have to constrain my 
parameters (to reduce the no. of parameters) and try to fit it.

However, I would like to ask you following questions.

I am confused about the term "Delta E0"

what is the theoretical meaning of that in terms of photoelectron 
interactions ?

If you have multiple atomic sites of absorbing atom, should "Delta E0" 
be same for all of them (assuming all absorbing atoms are at same 
oxidizing state) ?

I am looking forward to your comments..

Best regards,
Rana





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> Dear Rana,
> sorry for really late response, but I was cut off from the internet for a while...
> if I understand correctly you created a model of the structure and you fit it to the first shell (oxygen?), what is the expected difference between different path? with my humble experience you can try to clarify following problems:
> - is your model really correct and cover all possible scenarios?
> - are you sure that in your sample are no other (unwanted) phases? with Mn, Fe it can happen...
> - have you tried to increase the number of variables? (to free the fit from boundaries)
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> I am only thinking about it (with an examples at Fe site):
> you have 4 positions for Fe and if there is a mixing between Fe and Mn sites additional 3, it means maximally 7 sets of (e0, delr, and ss2 - N you can probably estimate, calculate). that means you have more variables than independent points. you should try, in the first approximation, to free the delr parameter and keep others the same. I havent seen good example of fitting such samples, but if you start from different points, and during fitting you will minimize no. of variables with the same result (with the same fit) should be ok.
> good luck
> darek
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> Dear Darek,
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> Sorry for the late response. To fit the "first shell" the No.of
> independent points and No.of variables which i use are as follows:
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> I use deltaK=11, deltaR = 1.1 so No.of independent points are 8 and
> No.of variables are 4 (i.e. N, e0, delr, and ss2) I set s02=0.9.
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> Best regards,
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>> From: Jatinkumar Rana<jatinkumar.rana at helmholtz-berlin.de>
>> To: Ifeffit users<ifeffit at millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov>
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>> Dear users,
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>> I have measured XAFS spectra on Mn and Fe edge on my material. The
>> material contains 3 different atomic positions for Mn and 4 different
>> atomic positions for Fe.
>>
>> Initially, I tried fitting Fe-edge/Mn-edge spectra using indiviual Fe/Mn
>> atomic position one-by-one (i.e. first take one Fe/Mn position,
>> calculate Feff paths, consider certain paths to fit specific R-range,
>> then take another Fe/Mn position and do the same) but the fit was not
>> good visually and in terms of goodness of fit parameters.
>>
>> Then, i tried fitting Fe-edge/Mn-edge spectra, taking into account all
>> Fe/Mn atomic position together i.e. I separately calulated Feff paths
>> for each Fe/Mn atomic position and summed up related paths from each
>> Feff calculation for fitting a specific R-range. (The assumption being,
>> the experimental Fe-edge/Mn-edge XAFS spectra has varying contribution
>> from all Fe/Mn atomic position in crystal structure).
>>
>> Anybody in the group could comment about my approach to fit such problem ?
>>
>> Is there any specific strategy to fit such problem ?
>>
>> I would be thankful if you could suggest some literature available on
>> such problems.
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Rana
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>> Dear Rana,
>> could you specify how many independent data points and variables you have and you use for fitting?
>> thnx
>> darek
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>> Dear users,
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>> I have measured XAFS spectra on Mn and Fe edge on my material. The
>> material contains 3 different atomic positions for Mn and 4 different
>> atomic positions for Fe.
>>
>> Initially, I tried fitting Fe-edge/Mn-edge spectra using indiviual Fe/Mn
>> atomic position one-by-one (i.e. first take one Fe/Mn position,
>> calculate Feff paths, consider certain paths to fit specific R-range,
>> then take another Fe/Mn position and do the same) but the fit was not
>> good visually and in terms of goodness of fit parameters.
>>
>> Then, i tried fitting Fe-edge/Mn-edge spectra, taking into account all
>> Fe/Mn atomic position together i.e. I separately calulated Feff paths
>> for each Fe/Mn atomic position and summed up related paths from each
>> Feff calculation for fitting a specific R-range. (The assumption being,
>> the experimental Fe-edge/Mn-edge XAFS spectra has varying contribution
>> from all Fe/Mn atomic position in crystal structure).
>>
>> Anybody in the group could comment about my approach to fit such problem ?
>>
>> Is there any specific strategy to fit such problem ?
>>
>> I would be thankful if you could suggest some literature available on
>> such problems.
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Rana
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